Monday, August 24, 2009

…But You Do


But You Do

Lamester review:

You won. It was obvious.

previous post: And On That Note, Happy Friday



  1. Guys, I think we’re missing the point here. It’s really cool to be anti-PC and totally racist. Everybody does it now.

  2. lmao. Ben said some pretty far-fetched stuff, but he hasn’t actually DONE anything wrong, it’s not all that fair to compare him to Hitler or the KKK. You should all be gratfeul to the circumstances you have been brought up in/encountered that have made you all such open-minded people. Not every-one is quite so lucky. I pity the Bens of the world for the experiences they are missing out on, however, his is just one opinion of many and we are all just learning in life much the same as him. Predjudice and judgement are basic human instincts, and it’s the mark of civilisation that we try to curb these thoughts.
    I don’t think racism is the main weakness in ben’s little speech, but I do sense somewhat of an undertone of jealousy and bitterness. All in all, Ben, be happy that SOME-ONE is running our beloved convenience stores the world over. They really are quite convenient. lol

  3. It’s very interesting how people are amazed that immigrants can set up their own businesses. And just because these people are immigrants doesn’t mean they aren’t educated. India is a huge country and the cities are huge for business. There are pockets of India that are poor but the cities of India are pretty technologically advanced, and not too far behind America.

    But This is how we did it: My parents immigrated to Chicago from Pakistan and have done very well for themselves. When my parents first arrived they worked non stop everywhere they could find work. Some of these jobs involved working at 7-11, driving a cab, selling cars at a local dealership, and so forth. Eventually my father had enough savings to open his own small business. Through good credit he was able to get loans from various banks to open a business and hire employees. Several years later, his small business has now turned into a Nationwide business. My parents have also put three children [including myself] through college.

  4. But I find it funny that people are amazed that Middle Easterners, Asians, and South Asians can open a business successfully and run it. My parents were born and raised in Pakistan but they both had a college education. My father did his masters in business and my mother did her masters in political science. Education is everywhere and hard working families will always find a way to put their kids through college. My parents families weren’t wealthy either. It just took some hard work. So, don’t be surprised Ben.

  5. How?
    Money, hard work, financial savvyness and not going into Hollister.

  6. Just so you all know, everything that Bee said is complete and utter xenophobic bullshit.

  7. i love how some people are defending ben as not being racist, oh hes just ignorant, i think it is an attempt to cover their own racism

  8. Ben does have a point though.

    All this liberal, left-wing, we’re all equal bullshit is really quite funny. There is a surprising amount of research the more than just hints at the fact that different races aren’t equally endowed, but most people would just dismiss this because they are too scared of things that aren’t strictly politically correct.

    If you think people are equal then I think you should wake up. Look at Europe. Look at Africa. Look at the history of mankind. People are different, and they know it, and they don’t always want to get along.

    One thing that I can say about Americans though, is that they generally think their lifestyle/worldview is superior to those of other, and they genuinely believe this. Let’s see how the next 10 years play out.

  9. LMFAO I FIND IT TO BE SO TRUE AND FUNNY… Why does everyone get so defensive? everyone’s entitled to their own opinon and it’s not like he’s making this up….. so … CHILLAX lol

  10. Ben, go kill yourself. But, make sure you take Nina S with you as well. And about 99% of the morons that commented on this. I wonder if everyone’s this racist irl. Do you have the balls to say this shit to the people’s faces? Probably not. Pathetic online, pathetic in real life.

  11. Holy fuck shit! Someone mentions race, along with a string of facts, and people lose their fucking minds. What a sad existence some of you lead.

    You people voted for Obama, and you killed Jesus. 😉

  12. LMAO. Man, I want to go see all those Indians in the Middle East! Good thing all the idiot immigrants have some random millionaire’s coat tails to ride on. It’s not like they have education systems in any OTHER countries!

  13. indians r not middle eastern asswhole!
    whonis this guy and y isnt he dead?!

  14. FTW, Ben.

  15. wow! never thought there were people this ignorant in the world. Hey whitey, why don’t you go read a book about geography and then start forming opinions of people and posting them online. Also Mr. Ben, if you knew anything about arabs and indians you would see that we came to America for a better salary and a better life. Anyways if I were you, I would go check in to a mental hospital. It can’t be safe to be this stupid.

  16. so since when are indians middle eastern? last time i checked, they were divided by the arabian sea.

  17. …This is extremely embarrassing and shameful, and yet I’m positive this guy still thinks he’s “right” or “okay” in thinking in this manner.

  18. Well, considering the distinct lack of a balanced discussion, I am here in lieu of an organised “For” representation.

    Surely all the guy who posted this is asking is how a bunch of extremely poor, very badly placed individuals (Regardless of race for a second) manage to somehow achieve the necessary business acumen and financial stability (hopefully) required to run a successful business. This to me seems an extremely valid question, and would seem to suggest that because of the fear we have as a society of being branded “racists” we feel the need to over compensate by granting those of a different ethnic background higher levels of support than we would any person who might be of the same or of a recognised common ethnic background. I (Bristol, England, UK of GB&NI) haven’t seen a white British newsagent in my life. I don’t think they exist. I don’t know why, nor do I particularly care. That doesn’t make me a racist, no matter how much you want it to. It’s just common observation. I don’t care who emigrates here, just so long as you don’t bring your sexist ideals (Burqas, for example. Not to generalise of course) and challenge our “racist” ones (Asking you to kindly learn our language, for example. Not to generalise of course) in the process. Remember, it is not the fact that there ARE foreigners running businesses, it is the proportion of foreigners running such businesses in comparison to the native workforce which I personally find worrying.

    Enjoy your Lamebook browsing, don’t take anything I (or anybody else on the internet) say(s) seriously, and have a wonderful day.

    Yours Sincerely,

  19. God, some people are dumb. Just because someone comes from a country which is not America, doesn’t make them dirt poor and living with swine. In fact, some of us who live outside of America can even afford our own houses!

    It doesn’t take millions to set up a small business, just a little common sense, which seems to be more than what you have.

  20. i so wanna respond to him. not even on the racist parts cuz teh way i see it u cant get sum1 to see race equally, its justs umthing that hopefully happens on its own. but i just wanna inform him on how they do it. they may look like they are poor but theyre actually rich. the difference between americans and successful immigrant small business owners is they dont spend money on bullshit. they came here for a better life for them and there fam that cant come to teh states so thats what theyre working for. the money they make isnt spent on nice cars clothes and decorations for their small business its spent on necessities and alot of it is sent back to their fam in their countries. they dont give a fuck bout customer service cuz they arent a big franchise they dont have money to waste on “the customers always right, just give them a freebie this time” if the the customers not right then he can take his ass to walmart but since hes here hes gonna buy the shit he came for regardless. even if the customer does take his ass to walmart instead9 times outa10 he wont so its actually a bigger waste of money to spend time on customer service. and their kids work for them cuz its cheaper labor and they dont have to pay for daycare. also thats why theyre kids tend to be better behaved and not end up drunk at parties and failing outta school. the go to school they go to the shop they go home, no room to fuck up. its a good plan that many americans dont realize and think theyr are just poor immigrants.

  21. I don’t mean to sound racist, and Imma let you finish but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all times!

  22. neither north american gov’s pay for immigration, like how some losers mentioned. It’s called hard work, saving money and a work ethic that most people in north america cant duplicate. almost all my friends whether indian or middle eastern work hard and succeed even though there are lots of these racist, ignorant pricks (like the ones that have posted negatively here) that hate or ridicule them for really no reason.. the difference is they dont hate all whites or get racist back because some of us treat people like friends, and we drown out the goofy white losers who dont matter at all and never will anyways

  23. They don’t have to pay taxes for, I believe, 10 years. They take the money they saved by not paying taxes and send it back to their family in the Middle East. That’s how it works. I’ts a simple raping of the system.

  24. @Holly: Nonsense, they do have to pay taxes. Quit with the baseless shit.

  25. @Holly (#123) – You’re an idiot. Earning income in the US pays requires you pay tax in the US. Maybe it is simply hard work and dedication. Your parents should receive a partial refund on money spent on your education, if any.

  26. Ramirez raped your system

    Holly, you’re an idiot.

  27. I get excited whenever someone says something along the lines of ‘Now, I’m not racist BUT…’

  28. @108: So-called “research” that proves racial inferiority has been widely debunked. Most of this research is based on standardized tests, and it’s been proven that the main indicator of performance on standardized tests has little to do with race. It is purely socioeconomic: richer people, whose parents tend to be better educated and who themselves go to better schools, do better on standardized tests. This has nothing to do with intellectual capacity; it had to do with opportunity.

    Plus the average person of any race does better on standardized tests than the average person of a century ago. As society grows more complex and we have more leisure time, our capacity for abstract thought increases.

  29. And to all of you who think that there is nothing wrong with Ben’s argument, and that its author is just “curious”, I have two things to say:

    1) The mere fact that he is curious reveals his ignorance. I, for one, am not “curious” about how foreigners own businesses because I assume it’s the same way that non-foreigners own businesses–through hard work and saving money. Observation bears me out on this.

    And 2) The difference between mere curiosity, or even ignorant curiosity, and racism is the way it is expressed. If he had just said “How do recent foreign immigrants get the money to own their own businesses?” he would have been guilty of ignorance, but not racism.

  30. Thanks, Nutti!

  31. Ben did those ‘middle eastern’ people “Tuk er jeobs?”

  32. derka derb!!!

  33. Ben is an idiot. Someone should beat him down with a golf club.
    Full Stop =D

  34. White people cannot run convenience stores.. It’s a genetic thing. The government has to employ people from asia to work them. The economy would implode if this wasn’t happening.

  35. @ Sheena She #22
    Middle Easterners are Asian too, except for Northern Africans, if you want to count them. Most Middle Eastern countries are in Asia.

  36. I’ve also thought about why people would bother comming all the way to a richer country to set upp a shop for some snooty white people.
    And where do they get the cash from?
    I mean a shop run under just conditions is frikkin expensive.
    Oh well, i don’t claim to understand it.

  37. as a second generation mexican i can honestly say our children arent only speaking spanish in america for “generations”

    this ben kids an ignorant idiot.


  39. Ben,
    I don’t know if you are reading this, but I hope you are.
    You are a piece of shit!
    Go check out the top ten richest people’s list and you’ll see a few Indians there!
    They have money that can’t dream about getting!

  40. Is it just me, or am I the only one who noticed that he didn’t directly imply that India was in the Middle East? Good thing the rest of you know how to read…

  41. I think this guy is the kind of guy who would piss in his own mouth if they were drunk enough

  42. People need to relax.
    One thing I will say in defense of the OP, I know teachers in California who have left the state to teach elsewhere because immigrants (specifically Hispanics) refused to learn English or teach their children English. They did not promote an education in their household and they made the jobs of these teachers a living hell. Obviously this isn’t standard but the extreme cases definitely spur resentment. California schools are failing, we don’t need to tack on more problems. I’m not saying being racist is a good thing but I am saying if we’re all going to attack the racist why do we turn the other cheek for the person who absolutely refuses to give their child a proper education? Isn’t that kind of behavior almost equally bad? Just an opinion..

  43. I don’t think this is lame or even stupid. The guy simply doesn’t know and has the guts to ask about it and learn even though I think he senses its both a little non-PC as well maybe revealing his lack of general knowlege.

    The answer (in case he’s reading) is that starting up a business takes an amount of capital which isn’t out of reach for most blue-collar Americans. However it takes some serious scrimping to save that capital, which may require cutting more corners in standard of living than most American citizens are willing to do. The average immigrant probably comes from a culture where “big business” was much less common, and many more people had to run a business, so they’re more used to and open to the idea. Finally, it takes probably perseverance and flexibility and appetite for risk, rather than things an immigrant may not have such as education and certification (a degree) and (unless you can say predujice simply doesn’t exist in the US, these might be at least minor factors:) a native accent and a face of the right color.

    As far as language: I’ve lived in Switzerland 7 years, which is 1/2 German 1/3 French 1/6 Italian. On average they speak over two languages fluently (often English and one of the other national languages) and it works great. They have access to the culture, friends, work and leisure opportunities of half of Europe there. I’m also in Hong Kong now in which everything is written in English and Chinese and most people speak a fair amount of both. They can work in a job where they buy from Chinese and sell to Americans. They can enjoy a flick by Won Kar Wai then a flick by Robert Altman. They can get ahead in business and enjoy their leisure more thna the typical monoglot.

    Spanish was actually the main language in what is now the US for probably several hundred years, both in Florida and in the West. Its not a bad thing. Looking forward for the US economy: what is the one thing there are more of than Chinese? Hispanics! Imagine the strength of the US if every American spoke great English and Spanish and for every business opportunity and at every meeting in South America there was a Spanish-speaking American (regardless of skin color) offering the services of an American firm, and taking back to the head office a report about what Hispanics wanted to buy. I dislike the idea of US kids growing up not speaking English… but also think it would be in their interest to learn Spanish from a young age as well.

  44. @Swissfrank
    It is lame AND stupid. The poster doesn’t seem to realize that India is not part of the Middle East.

  45. Furthermore, the reason there are more Hispanics than Chinese is that “Hispanic” is a broad racial category. The Chinese, as an ethnic group, consist of only people with heritage from China, Taiwan, and sometimes Singapore, Malaysia, and Tibet. There are still more Asians than Hispanics.

    Nice try.

  46. @145 Just wow. The “Chinese as an ethnic group” are Chinese. China is a geographical description, not a racial one. Only Chinese people are Chinese and I’m pretty sure Taiwanese, Malaysians, Tibetans (especially!) and Singaporeans would have a real problem with you calling them Chinese. Their ethnicity would be Asian, not Chinese.

  47. I’m speechless, so many things I could say, my brain is about to explode.

    Biggest fail ever!!

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